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The ultimate 6.0 tune is it possible?

Lets pick some of the tuners brains here guys.

Ive been thinking about the ultimate stock truck file.

Would it be possible to build a 420hp file that is capable of towing safely?

Is the mapping possible?

For this experiment we will assume the driver will not use his right foot as a throttle on off switch.

He will drive like a normal human being
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Stock as in no other mods, just a tuner? Or is intake and exhaust a given?
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Stock as in no other mods, just a tuner? Or is intake and exhaust a given?
Intake and exhaust are a given
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Re: The ultimate 6.0 tune is it possible?

I don't see the big deal?
I used to tow my ~10,000 lb trailer all over the country on a race file...including over the Rockies and any other mountains I ran across.
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I do the same thing Rich. I just figured I would start some discussion because so many say it isnt possible
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For this experiment we will assume the driver will not use his right foot as a throttle on off switch.

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How much wieght?? It makes a difference....
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IMO its not a problem with the current tuning, its not to heavy for a stock turbo. If you said 20K Lbs then yes things would have to be changed. But then it really wouldnt be a race tune anyways because a race tune is supposed to be optimised to be the fastest possible anyways not a compromise between the two..... Idk thats just how I see it.
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No way Jose . Every 6.0 I've had would puke and run hot or the fans would come on within 45 minutes of towing anything without studs and egr delete . They have to be a constant as well. No offense to the op but a tuned egr equipped stock head bolt 6.0 is a ticking time bomb
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For the people that have two testicles between their legs it is not a problem.
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I ran my race tune nonstop for 40k miles. I popped the headgaskets hotrodding it so that was my fault. Other than that it was the best tune I ever ran in my 6.0. It gave the best mileage, towing power, coolest egts while towing, etc.
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You mean....the ignorant people who buy an intake exhaust and progrmmer before egr delete and studs with no warranty ? Some kahones to take a big black 5,000 bill/dildo up the ass, or maybe Just you goose
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You mean....the ignorant people who buy an intake exhaust and progrmmer before egr delete and studs with no warranty ? Some kahones to take a big black 5,000 bill/dildo up the ass
I think he meant the people who know the limits of the truck and don't feel the need to tow 80mph with 15k behind them. People that tow like its an unloaded truck are only asking for trouble. I'm not too proud when it comes to towing, I don't have to be first at the top of the hill, I just don't wanna be last
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Thats kinda my problem^^ I know not to dog it but im not gonna be a pus abou it. Brains will go a longs way in driving a loaded tuned truck. And brains are the ultimate deciding factor
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Doesn't matter. Without an egr delete ad studs a tuned 6.0 towing is a boat without a paddle. It's stupid to have to drive around the flaws of your motor because it will run hot with a tune. So it's like saying, here's your new tune! Don't take advantage of it by letting your engine use all that newly found fuel timing and air! If you have an egr equipped 6.0 with stock bolts keep it stock orelse feel your net worth go down everytime you push it beyond the big toe lol.
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I honestly don't see where using a little common sense will hurt with stock bolts and the egr in place. If you run the guts out of one just because its studded and deleted its gonna let you down also lol

FWIW, I ran a little over 30k of my 40k tuned on stock bolts and the egr still in place.
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Don't get me wrong. Sure you can run it. And no, common sense while driving won't Hurt it will definitely help. But you start to expect your engine to be able to take a little more and a little more. I ran 35 k with egr on place stock head bolts and a tune but I KNEW I had a egr delete and studs ready to go for when the gaskets went, as well as warranty and a ford tech ready to do it all for 100 bucks, just trying to warn those who think they can tune a 6.leaker With no consequences.
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50,000+ miles all on a race tune that I DD, tow, drag race and sled pulled. Zero problems all on headbolts and EGR cooler. Put 500 miles on the truck today. Pretty damn good for 255,496 miles.
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Doesn't matter. Without an egr delete ad studs a tuned 6.0 towing is a boat without a paddle. It's stupid to have to drive around the flaws of your motor because it will run hot with a tune. So it's like saying, here's your new tune! Don't take advantage of it by letting your engine use all that newly found fuel timing and air! If you have an egr equipped 6.0 with stock bolts keep it stock orelse feel your net worth go down everytime you push it beyond the big toe lol.
Really? Are you sure about all that?
Cause if memory serves me right...I ran 92,000 miles almost ALL of it tuned. First with an Edge/Attitude then an SCT with race tunes....towing whatever I wanted wherever I wanted and never ONCE had an issue.
My motor came out at 92K and got studded then ONLY because I was putting big injectors in....head gaskets were perfect. One of the very first sets of 6.0 injectors ever made actually.
It NEVER had an EGR delete on it...just old school welded up-pipe and blocked off cooler.
I'll spare you the details of what happened after that but you guys saying you HAVE TO HAVE an EGR delete and studs before you do ANYTHING are full of
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You're regurgitating crap you read on the internet with no basis in fact.
Rumormongers....nothing else.

If I bought another 6.0 today it would get intake, exhaust and SCT tomorrow and I wouldn't worry a god damned bit.
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That's good for you. I am not a rumor monger. I am sharing my own experience with 4+ 6.0s not just my truck. Don't call me full of #### either Richard, you cheater, you're full of ####, I about creamed my pants when I saw you swear your retirement as soon as psn was sold. Just because your pos is sill running doesn't mean everyone elses will react the same, nor does it mean you should call me full of ####. We both bad deferent experiences and this is the place to share. Take the dick out your ass and put it on your mouth next time you see me post
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I hauled 7 trailer loads of logs (around 10K average from scale receipts) so far this year all with a race tune and no studs. I just watch my gauges and keep my foot out of it.
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Really? Are you sure about all that?
Cause if memory serves me right...I ran 92,000 miles almost ALL of it tuned. First with an Edge/Attitude then an SCT with race tunes....towing whatever I wanted wherever I wanted and never ONCE had an issue.
My motor came out at 92K and got studded then ONLY because I was putting big injectors in....head gaskets were perfect. One of the very first sets of 6.0 injectors ever made actually.
It NEVER had an EGR delete on it...just old school welded up-pipe and blocked off cooler.
I'll spare you the details of what happened after that but you guys saying you HAVE TO HAVE an EGR delete and studs before you do ANYTHING are full of
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You're regurgitating crap you read on the internet with no basis in fact.
Rumormongers....nothing else.

If I bought another 6.0 today it would get intake, exhaust and SCT tomorrow and I wouldn't worry a god damned bit.
Ok here you go I just brought this idea out for the benefit of others.

Ive got 106,000 miles on my rig. 60k with Erics tunes. The rest on Matts SRL and SRL+

This truck is driven every day. Tows 10-12k in those tunes without issue.

Everything but the tune intake and exhaust and egr delete is original.

Only reason the EGR is deleted is I got a deal I couldnt turn down
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Im not calling you out so dont take it that way rich. I ran edge problem free. As soon as the sct was downloaded I had issues. It killed my egr drivers make a world of diff. Imo
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So explain how the SCT killed your EGR ?
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I'm running a sct with intake and exhaust with stock egr and bolts. so far trouble free other than what i think is my turbo vanes sticking after WOT....not sure what the problem is yet
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Idk how to explain it but the more extreme tune just sped up the death process?
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i ran a edge for 40k, ruined 2 trannies, and clogged a valve. had a sct for over 50k and haven't had a issue.. stock bolts and EGR.

glad you took care of him rich, that guy annoys the Piss out of me a lot.
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My 06 has had our race file on it for 100k miles. Pulls 12-14k a couple times a week. Puked around 20k after pulling 12k up a 7% grade over 4 miles long. Studded it and blocked the EGR at that point and not had a single issue since.

I dont typically recommend towing w/ a race file, as you are more likely to leak past the gaskets at that point w/o studs. ive had a lot of customers pull more weight than me w/o studs on the same files and never have an issue, but i still dont recommend it. Doesnt mean plenty havent had good luck doing so tho.

That being said, i cant stand to tow w/ anything less than a race file. A 6.0 with a stock file or a tow file and stock injectors simply doesnt make enough power at 1800-2000 rpms to pull without downshifting, at least not to my liking. A racefile gives it more of a 7.3 feel where you can pull heavy weight up a hill in overdrive without losing speed or having to downshift and run higher rpms. The key to pulling with a race file is a very linear fueling and throttle response, where you control heat and power with your right foot, not the tune.
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The only trouble I see with it is if you get out and drive from coast to coast on I-80 is the wind, with our 2008 chevy and 8k I have had it on the floor running 75, the sped limit, stock they will take it, tuned egts would most likely get a little hot, you would have to slow down to keep temps say, which it gets hard to watch the gauges all day and night, that's just my 02.
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Come on. The 6.0 is a hit or miss. I dont know why every one is arguing??

And im not just sayin this off of hearsay. One of our 6.0s has had great luck with only a tune intake and exhaust. The other nothin but blown gaskets warped heads and more blown gaskets with studs and EGR delete so idk why people keep crying. Every truck is different....
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i have a 30'fifth wh and i haven't towed with the SCT yet..i have towed a 24' lowboy with a compact tractor(total of about 5500lbs) and used the tow file...it was gutless so i switched to extreme street and used the tow/haul mode...that was great.
my 5th weights about 9000 lbs, can i safely tow with the extreme file ?
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We have had 3 six liters over 5 years on the farm, all stock. The first two blew up on the road towing with a sct tuner. Head gasket failures. The weak points showed themselves more with the tuner. The third we sold before it puked on us. Will never own a 6leaker again
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Come on. The 6.0 is a hit or miss. I dont know why every one is arguing??

And im not just sayin this off of hearsay. One of our 6.0s has had great luck with only a tune intake and exhaust. The other nothin but blown gaskets warped heads and more blown gaskets with studs and EGR delete so idk why people keep crying. Every truck is different....
That is exactly the point...they're all different. To say you HAVE to do studs and a delete just isn't correct. You may have to...you may not.
I say don't spent the money until the truck makes you spend it.
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If you drive it or tow with a tuner it would be cost effective to pull the bolts one by one cab on versus paying someone big bucks to pull the heads, make them flat etc. Its good preventative maintainance. Otherwise youre risking the bolts stretching or the egr puking if it's still in place also.
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I would say drive it till they go, pulled 20k for 40000 miles, then off and on trailer life, chipped at 75, now I have 93. Heads and cooler are still good, and we town as fast as we could, to the floor.
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Come on. The 6.0 is a hit or miss. I dont know why every one is arguing??

And im not just sayin this off of hearsay. One of our 6.0s has had great luck with only a tune intake and exhaust. The other nothin but blown gaskets warped heads and more blown gaskets with studs and EGR delete so idk why people keep crying. Every truck is different....
I agree 100%.

My buddy's 6.0 was a farm truck, bone stock, idled and hauled hay wagons all day long. Didn't see much more than 45mph very often. But ran great with no problems. They put 100k miles on it with out touching the motor and traded it in.

My 04 blew the egr cooler and the heads at 50k miles. It was less than 3 months after the first tune.
I had studs installed egr deleted and haven't had any problems since except for my f_cking aftermarket fuel pump!!!
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Love mine too. Treats me way better than my 7.3 ever did.
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Love mine too. Treats me way better than my 7.3 ever did.
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My truck has stock head bolts and egr cooler and I'm running idp extreme race I've towed a 1 ton mud truck with it and egts actually ran cooler than my tow file. Plus with the added power you don't have to push on the pedal as hard. All though I'm not concerned about having issues as I don't have to pay somebody to fix it.
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I have never really had any issues with the 6.0 company trucks we had, they got drove hard, bone stock and never any cab off issues...
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Love this one as well, after studs and egr delete though hg took a dump before the tunes even went on I think
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lol i think they are the worst tow trucks ever made lol. not gonna lie. i love my 6.0 but i love towing with pretty much anything else.
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I do see a crap ton of regular cab tow trucks around here that are 6.0s. They're not pulling quite as much though I guess haha
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I have a friend with a 2007 F350 6.0 that he has never had any problems with and now he is asking me if I know how to get a little more power out of it. He has 60,000 miles on it and its stock other than a intake. He does not want to do a exhaust and does mostly towing (8,000- 10,000 lbs) what would be the best tune for him to run?
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I just turned 109,000 on my truck.
Started out at 43,000 with the DiaBLOW predator,Edge Juice Platinum and then my SCT tuned by Eric at around 50,000miles.
I have had larger injectors since 60,000 with many 12 second passes plus towing my 28' enclosed race trailer and my truck has never seen a dealership!
I don't have an EGR delete or headgaskets and am actually looking at getting a 2003 King Ranch Dually right now.....so what does that tell ya.
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I just turned 109,000 on my truck.
Started out at 43,000 with the DiaBLOW predator,Edge Juice Platinum and then my SCT tuned by Eric at around 50,000miles.
I have had larger injectors since 60,000 with many 12 second passes plus towing my 28' enclosed race trailer and my truck has never seen a dealership!
I don't have an EGR delete or headgaskets and am actually looking at getting a 2003 King Ranch Dually right now.....so what does that tell ya.
So what Innovative tune do you think would work best for my friend?
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So what Innovative tune do you think would work best for my friend?
I would get a tow tune and an xtreme street tune.
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I would get a tow tune and an xtreme street tune.
No studs in your truck?
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NOPE!
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How many miles on the 200s?
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Tuned, with stix, charger, and Nitrous and no studs? NICE
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goes to show you its not the tuning etc that lifts the heads..
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I pulled 12k with just a tune (looney Matt's SRL +), exhaust and intake for years and didn't have any issues. I didn't do the studs until 99k the first time. Did them the second time at 113k (had something else fail...) and at that time is when I did the EGR delete. I'm at 136k now and plan on towing my 12k camper back home from Alabama this week and I will be running SRL ++ Just like I did when I pulled it here 9 months ago.
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Around 30k.
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Got an 03 with 103,000+, straight piped, no intake, studs or egr delete, Innovative extreme race tune...no problems...EVER!! Love my 6.0!!
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To the original poster and all others.....I have logged over 100k miles running Innovative Diesel's (Eric's) Extreme Race Tune as my daily driver and made 413rwhp a month ago in Colorado Springs.....I can attest ID's tunes are safe and fast and can tow.....
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To you sure...to the next guy with a programmer maybe not.....
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To the original poster and all others.....I have logged over 100k miles running Innovative Diesel's (Eric's) Extreme Race Tune as my daily driver and made 413rwhp a month ago in Colorado Springs.....I can attest ID's tunes are safe and fast and can tow.....
Guys just to be clear guys. Ive had an SCT on my truck since I signed the papers at time of purchase. It had Erics Extreme st tune loaded before it left the dealer lot
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Eric's tunes are EXCELLENT......That is the bottom line.....
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Eric's tunes are EXCELLENT......That is the bottom line.....
Ditto, since Eric did my tunes no issue.
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FINALLY some common sense posts about the 6.0...it's about time. Make this a sticky!!!
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my 6.0 pulls way better then either of my closest friends cummins do
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my 6.0 pulls way better then either of my closest friends cummins do
I'm really hoping to get my 6.0 to pull as good as the Cummins sittin in my driveway. But so far it's about a tie. I am however pulling a 17k 5th wheel. Only reason I switched to this truck is 4300 pounds of pin weight was a bit too much for the ole 01 Dodge dually. Of course both of my trucks are only mildly modified. Sure do like this F-450 though...much better truck than the Dodge.
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