Discuss.
Most people don't understand 1/3 of what goes on in a turbo pedistal.We have disassemble the code for most all the 7.3L stuff and I can tell you we only understand about 1/3 of what goes on
I was making a list of the current software/hardware offerings that allowed the end user to modify their tunes, I know the previously mentioned Sniper and PHP, is DP Tuner offering a similar set up and when you say others to whom are you referring too?I think the point David is trying to make is that currently on a small handful of people are actually messing around with tuning, and that with open source it would be possible to involve more people. If more people are involved, more ideas are shared, more of the PCM mysteries are solved, and we learn how to better tune the PSD's faster than ever before.
So yes it sounds like a daunting task, but it's going to remain a big task if only a small number of people attempt to tackle it. Get more minds going on this, and you have a greater pool of resources to get more accomplished.
Open source software is currently one of the fastest growing sectors in software development. It's spreading everywhere, and it's only a matter of time before it hits the Powerstroke world too. Vendors who embrace the idea early might be on to something, and ahead of the curve. Right now the first steps have been taken through Sniper, PHP, DP-Tuner, and a few others. Just look at the hardware they provide, it screams sharing and interconnectivity. They are laying the groundwork for future generations of software and tuning for these trucks.
What I meant by that is for everyone to take a look at either the hardware or the software (or a combination of both). In regards to DP-Tuner, it's their hardware with the F-6 chip that would make it extremely easy to connect, share, etc if they so choose to go that route. After all, their F-6 chip has a secondary connection that allows you to plug your computer directly to the chip without ever having to uninstall it from the PCM. IMO that's a good hardware model to follow for anyone looking at open source tuning. That's the reason why I threw DP-Tuner into the mix simply for that purpose. All you need for that is a chip and the software, and you don't need a secondary chip burner.I was making a list of the current software/hardware offerings that allowed the end user to modify their tunes, I know the previously mentioned Sniper and PHP, is DP Tuner offering a similar set up and when you say others to whom are you referring too?
This thread is already a kind of touchy subject for some, so let's please try if at all possible not to start in any direction that would lead to vendor bashing, which would then result in this thread being locked up or deleted. I've just explained why I had them on the list, so let's please discuss the topic at hand. Thanks.How is DP tuner in there at all?? They don't share a DAMN THING. I would never even contemplate ASKING them for any hints, tips, or tricks if I was tyooning.
Exactly my point. You can buy from either a PHP or Sniper product that will do this exact thing today. David himself knows he could sell anyone in this thread the capability with a Sniper Commando package for roughly $500 for the hobbiest to do thier own tuning. Anyone with either of these two platforms could share any or all of the files they create back and forth. Today. I just don't understand what all the hub bub is.Yes, I think that would be an excellent benefit to the Powerstroke. EFILive is about $500-$600 depending on vendor, and that would be a good price point for the Powerstroke, especially if it would do data collection from the PCM also.
Look into this site, then tell me why people will go through the trouble to hack just about any software you want and they do it for free.What Diesel Tech posted is exactly what I mean. Unless someone is completely ripping off the work it takes to build a template to be able to modify any file. No one who spends that kind of time is going to give it away for free.
Exactly my point. You can buy from either PHP or Sniper a product that will do this exact thing today. David himself knows he could sell anyone in this thread the capability with a Sniper Commando package for roughly $500 for the hobbiest to do thier own tuning. Anyone with either of these two platforms could share any or all of the files they create back and forth. Today. I just don't understand what all the hub bub is.
Every thing you guys are talking about doing is available today with out anyone having to release anything. Also at a fair price with some customer support.
Crucifying people for wanting to share their ideas is not exactly the best way to make this forum grow:doh:I will wade in one more time, because the last few posts are touching on exactly what I was trying to convey. (perhaps poorly) For starters I in no way shape or form give a damn about who makes any money from anything. I am not out to sell anything, period. After some thought, my point is simply this:
Right now today, and for at least a year or more, anyone on this thread for roughly the same price of six position chip can buy the software and hardware to tune their own trucks AND email the tunes to each other if they so desire. The technology is here and absolutely ready to use. I am more familiar more familiar with Sniper products because that is what I have been using, but from what I understand PHP is basically the same thing except much more user friendly. I am not trying to sell Sniper products, like I said, I couldn't care less who buys what, but with the Sniper software already available you can:
Pull the stock file out of your truck's pcm
Use a program that has drop down menus to adjust the basic parameters
Burn that file to a chip or directly flash it to your pcm
If you want to refine the program more than the basic editor does, you can adjust it very much the same way any established tuner does endlessly
With the tunes/files you create yourself, you can email them to anyone you want that has the software to use them.
Sniper tunes will only open with Sniper software.
So my point was, there are already several platforms available to do what everyone wants to do here without "ripping" off anyone's templates or having hurt feelings. Open source is not ripping off anybodies template or hard work I am still at a loss why David jumped down my throat. your not listening, there are other shops yet you went and built your own!!! why would you do that??? Starting from scratch with "free" templates and software that isn't proven is going to be a rough road at best. You and I were not proven at one point, we both learned from trial and error leading to experiance which is what makes us good Not to mention the endless amount of different templates for the 7.3 alone. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the platforms all ready in place? yes it would but then thats all we would have., can you imagine if only Ford made vehicles, where we would be right now?
I think sharing the tunes is a fantastic idea. Being able to compare another person's work is definately a very good learning tool. I orginally had thought this forum in particular was going to be geared much more towards this sort of exchange when it was first started.
PHP and Sniper tunes aren't interchangable with some file renaming? I was under the assumption that you could swap between the two programs. No?Sniper tunes will only open with Sniper software.
Because it's too cold up here to work outside.your not listening, there are other shops yet you went and built your own!!! why would you do that???
True. But my point is that I didn't start with a block of steel, a chisel, and a dream of having a diesel engine. (close) There was an engine with an electronics system in place when I bought my first Powerstroke over a decade ago. So we work with what we have and make the most of it. For the longest time SCT had the only software for the common person to do anything with. It was priced fairly high. Under the assumption that Sniper and PHP files can play nice with each other, tuning has never been easier or within the grasp of the average joe than it is now. I have thought many times over how much I would have liked to have this software ten years ago. My life would have been much easier.You and I were not proven at one point, we both learned from trial and error leading to experiance which is what makes us good
All of us would probably be in the same place. In fact, we might be conversing on a website with the exact same name.yes it would but then thats all we would have., can you imagine if only Ford made vehicles, where we would be right now?
I wasn't crucifying anyone. I am under the assumption, from the information I have (I didn't read any other threads), that someone released or was going to release something that belong to DP at one point. I have asked several times for clarification, but really didn't get any, just sarcasm. I wished I had more time to read every one of the 700 diesel message boards, but I just don't.Crucifying people for wanting to share their ideas is not exactly the best way to make this forum grow
Below is the original quote in question, notice the parts in bold.PHP and Sniper tunes aren't interchangable with some file renaming? I was under the assumption that you could swap between the two programs. No?
No, Sniper files are encrypted.
I wasn't crucifying anyone. I am under the assumption, from the information I have (I didn't read any other threads), that someone released or was going to release something that belong to DP at one point. I have asked several times for clarification, but really didn't get any, just sarcasm. I wished I had more time to read every one of the 700 diesel message boards, but I just don't.
Notice no where does it say he was giving away or selling anything that belonged to DP tuner.I have successfully reprogrammed my dp tuner because I got bigger injectors. Saved me some money. Easier than you think. Here is how to do it. Buy a burn 2 chip programmer with F2A Ford Module Programming Adapter and F2E Integrated Ford EEC Computer Reading Interface from Moates.net. Then download a gui software like eec editor or Tunerpro which are free. Use the hardware to get the stock bin file out of your pcm. Then load the .def file that I have created and will give to you if you want it. Then use the GUI to edit your engines paramiters. Then burn it to the chip using burn 2. The hardware is only 95 dollars for everything and the and you got complete control of every option to change in the 7.3.
Now I'm with you. From original few posts it appeared that he was giving away the definition files from DP. When that stuff starts getting passed around it never ends well. Perhaps I was just cranky yesterday morning because I had to change some Dmax injectors.Notice no where does it say he was giving away or selling anything that belonged to DP tuner.
Nobody. I like to stay as far under the radar as possible.Not being an AHole... but who is Johnboy? Obviously a tuner...