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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-04-2017, 01:58 PM Thread Starter
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Time to build a monster

Okay dudes, I need some help again. It's no secret that I'm a neophyte with diesel performance. Actually, I'm a bit of a neophyte with diesels period, but especially with diesel horse power.

Well, I've been tasked with building a monster. Sounds sweet right? Except for the rather inconvenient fact that I really have no idea what I'm doing. I have to make a 6.0 chew asphalt, okay, but how? Bigger turbo, bigger injectors better exhaust flow. I get all that, what I don't understand is how do I select the parts? How am I supposed to match a turbo with injectors? Do I just randomly select nozzle size and use a tuner to get rid of the smoke? It doesn't seem like it matters much if it's over fueled. How can that be?

I guess what I'm asking is how do I go about selecting parts? And yes, I will be selecting all the parts for this.

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It kind of depends on your hp goal and if you ever want to tow.

For something that can tow I would say
205/30 injectors
Kc turbos stage 2 or 3
Full custom fuel system with a a1000 pump and 1/2" lines and regulated return.
Head studs and oringed heads
Custom tunes
Ficm tuner
Stage 3 ported intake

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Diy quad feed, Hydra, Isspro boost, pyro, and fuel pressure
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It kind of depends on your hp goal and if you ever want to tow.

For something that can tow I would say
205/30 injectors
Kc turbos stage 2 or 3
Full custom fuel system with a a1000 pump and 1/2" lines and regulated return.
Head studs and oringed heads
Custom tunes
Ficm tuner
Stage 3 ported intake
Oh oh, perfect, that brings me to another question. What's the deal with towing? Seriously, how can increasing power drop the towing capacity? Other than it overheats, but every dash has a temp gauge.

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subscribed! i'm wanting to say EGTs are gonna be way up there while towing unless you are smart with the injector size...something i'm interested in learning more about myself!


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Turd is correct. Egts get too hot while towing. Fuel=heat. With larger nozzles you can't pull enough fuel to keep it cool.

Here is a dyno video with 205/30 injectors and a stage 3 turbo. 688 hp ain't too bad.

https://youtu.be/BFEeea26VlE

01 f-250, Standard
Rev tech 4" lift, 37" military wrangler Mt tires
KC diy 66, Full force 160/100 and custom tunes from PHP
Banks intercooler and full 4" exhaust, Diy S&B intake
Diy quad feed, Hydra, Isspro boost, pyro, and fuel pressure
3/0 battery cables with military style terminals
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Turd is correct. Egts get too hot while towing. Fuel=heat. With larger nozzles you can't pull enough fuel to keep it cool.

Here is a dyno video with 205/30 injectors and a stage 3 turbo. 688 hp ain't too bad.

https://youtu.be/BFEeea26VlE
This guy doesn't tow, so its moot in this instance. But I don't dig the idea of building a monster and not towing with it. That's sort of like building the baddest gun on the planet, but not shooting it because the loads are too hot.

Is it simply too much load demand and too much to ask of it, or is it an over fueling issue? It's the turbine that gets damaged right? So maybe a titanium turbine to better take the heat? I'm sure someone out there makes one. Maybe even relocate the turbo further from the manifold? Though with its oil setup on the 6.0, that would not be easy.

I mean, if exhaust is black, that's partially burnt so it's simply too much fuel or not enough air. There's nothing efficient about billowing coal, it seems unnecessary in my mind, even a waste. Can't the same power be had without the smoke? Sled pulling type of power notwithstanding, since all of them belch coal, so obviously at some point the smoke is inevitable, but not at 600 hp right?

And yes, 688 for my first one will be just fine. I plan on ringing the head, can't help myself, I'm intrigued. I actually had never heard of it until recently, but i read up on it and the machining is not complicated at all. Though my mill is no full blown Bridgeport, it's about 1600 lbs. more than big enough to handle this. I assume I'll be able to find some dimensions online. If not, a gasket would make a good template.

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post #7 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-05-2017, 01:43 PM
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It's an over fueling issue causing the heat. The egts are the issue because the piston are aluminum and will melt with to high of temps.
You are correct about the smoke. If it's black, something is not right.

For the heads there is a company that sells the cutter and the wire for the oring. I can't remember it right now but if he wants to keep from having head gasket issues I say get some reman heads with prongs from UFC.

Does this guy have a budget? Because this build is going to be expensive.

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Rev tech 4" lift, 37" military wrangler Mt tires
KC diy 66, Full force 160/100 and custom tunes from PHP
Banks intercooler and full 4" exhaust, Diy S&B intake
Diy quad feed, Hydra, Isspro boost, pyro, and fuel pressure
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Another thing to remember about building diesels is there's no such thing as "too much air."
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post #9 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-05-2017, 05:47 PM
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Yep. Can't run a diesel lean.
Just remember that a biggest turbo doesn't always mean the most air. It's possible to get to big of a turbo.
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Rev tech 4" lift, 37" military wrangler Mt tires
KC diy 66, Full force 160/100 and custom tunes from PHP
Banks intercooler and full 4" exhaust, Diy S&B intake
Diy quad feed, Hydra, Isspro boost, pyro, and fuel pressure
3/0 battery cables with military style terminals
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Yep. Can't run a diesel lean.
Just remember that a biggest turbo doesn't always mean the most air. It's possible to get to big of a turbo.
Oh how many times I have seen a mismatched turbo for a given application!
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