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2005 no start

This is with my brothers 05, its a crank no start condition.

Went to do an EGR delete, and decided while there to replace the oil cooler. Afterwards, everything put together, it started and ran for about a minute, then died. Would not restart afterwards. At first checked IPR valve, noticed the screen had very little debris, replaced the screen with a new screen. Still no start. Checked HPO pressure and showed 250PSI.

Afterwards, replaced STC fitting with new revised screw in fitting, checked the air leak from ICP port back to the branch tube connection, no air leaks. Checked HPO pressure 0psi.

Unplugged ICP sensor, checked HPO pressure 0psi.

Discovered the oil filter cap was a wix design(tall cap), and since the oil was changed after the cooler replacement, a stock ford filter went in with the wix cap. Changed out to ford cap, checked the anti-drainback valve in the bowl, it still looked good. LPO pressure seems good(filter bowl fills quickly while cranking, dash dummy gauge comes up within seconds while cranking).
Checked HPO pressure 0 psi.

We took the new revised pump outlet to branch tube fitting back off, and cranked without it in there, and the oil just sort of dumps out. Im not sure what it is supposed to look like, but I would think it should have some pressure coming out, not just dumping.

Checked IPR connector, shows 0V key off, then 12V when key is in RUN. Checked the IPR by plugging in a pigtail and hooking to a battery, the IPR clicks.

I've been waiting for my new connector for my AE, come to find out, mine took a sh!t after sitting for two years, so I had to get a new one sent out, but it takes almost a week to ship from Arizona to Michigan. It seems like the pump is not producing enough pressure, but I can't see it happening to take a sh!t at the same time the EGR and oil cooler was replaced. I'm trying to check anything I can while waiting for AE. Anyone have any other ideas to check while waiting for AE?

Odd side point: My truck had a bad oil cooler. I rebuilt the oil cooler, and did an EGR delete. Mine started right up after about a minute. His had nothing wrong, just doing the EGR delete and oil cooler as a preventive measure thing. What a mistake that was .

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Re: 2005 no start

Sounds like you have an hpop system full of air after doin all that. Takes alot of crankin after you break that system open to get her goin again, and be ready to take it out, and put your foot in her $ss a couple times to get said air purged out.

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Just like Adam said, crank her and watch your oil pressure gauge it should start to rise.

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We tried cranking for over an hour in 30 second bursts. I was convinced it was the oil cap so I just told him to keep cranking. It was getting jumped from my 99 to be sure the batteries wouldn't fire out. Finally I gave up on that idea. With ae will I be able to tell if there if just air in the lines?

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Update:
Put it back together again today, cranked on it again for over an hour again. Maxed out a 60PSI gauge, hooked up a 100-4000psi gauge, no reading. So its making some pressure, just not enough to start.

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If you can see it watch your ipr actual, and ipr desired. That's only if AE will show you that. Bad IPR maybe? HPOP?

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I'm new to the site and don't know much about the 6.0 but i just got my 05 out of the shop. Put the computer on it and had the same issue no oil pressure. they did the air pressure test and found no leaks. They said the next step was to pull the HPOP out and do a visual inspection. They found a blowed o-ring at the first joint out of the HPOP. I think it was a T-joint. Like i said i don't know much about but maybe this will give you some ideas. They replaced the o-ring and truck has ran great for two weeks.
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You should have the AE by this weekend, i would just wait instead of tearing into more that is not needed and just getting frustraded.

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You already know you have no oil pressure,what will the AE do for you? I would try to bleed the air from the oil system. The computer must see more than 500 PSI before it will even think about firing the injectors.
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If you can see it watch your ipr actual, and ipr desired. That's only if AE will show you that. Bad IPR maybe? HPOP?
Thats what commanding the IPR showed today. Hooked shop air up to the oil rail, and commanded the IPR from 0%-80% no change in air sound. Per the Ford Service Manual, it said if no change replace IPR.

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I'm new to the site and don't know much about the 6.0 but i just got my 05 out of the shop. Put the computer on it and had the same issue no oil pressure. they did the air pressure test and found no leaks. They said the next step was to pull the HPOP out and do a visual inspection. They found a blowed o-ring at the first joint out of the HPOP. I think it was a T-joint. Like i said i don't know much about but maybe this will give you some ideas. They replaced the o-ring and truck has ran great for two weeks.
Welcome to the site.

The t-joint you describe is better known as the STC(snap to connect) fitting. We replaced that right after the first no start, due to that was just a logical thing to replace.

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You should have the AE by this weekend, i would just wait instead of tearing into more that is not needed and just getting frustraded.
Luckily it came early, a lot easier to find problems with it!

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You already know you have no oil pressure,what will the AE do for you? I would try to bleed the air from the oil system. The computer must see more than 500 PSI before it will even think about firing the injectors.
It told me the IPR wasn't responding when actuated by doing an the air test listed in the Ford service manual.

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